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juzzlookin (July 6, 2008 at 9:46 pm)
So.... for x amount of energy we put in, we get 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom out. By investigation I find we need a ratio of approx 9 oxygen to 1 hydrogen to form a conbustible mixture. Therefore assuming we keep the hydrogen after the seperation, (i.e. two thirds of the product) and mix it with air in the usual way, how much energy do you think we need to get enough hydrogen to keep the engine running? If you use this energy from the battery when does it get put back?
EYOLs1234 (July 6, 2008 at 2:36 am)
No, you two are mistaken. This is not a closed system where the water is continuously electrolyzed and burned and electrolyzed again. What this does is elecrolyzes the water using the battery, and then feeds the HHO gas mixture into the gas so that it burns along with the gas. What that means is that it's using energy from the battery to create more fuel to burn along with the gas, therefore increasing your miles per gallon rating. The water is just released into the environment, not used again.
MRauron (June 26, 2008 at 12:58 pm)
Actually, someone showed me a working machine. Believe it or not, it works.
Lawnmower233 (June 21, 2008 at 4:56 pm)
Do you know what actually happens when you burn hydrogen gas? You're just recombining 2H2 and O2. Electrolysis of water is the opposite; you're splitting them apart.What you're suggesting is this:2H2O + 1 Joule of energy => Electrolyosis => 2H2 + O2 + 1 Joule of energy => Burning => 2H2O + 2 Joules of energy.Where the hell did the second Joule come from? Where did you get this extra energy? All you're doing is splitting and recombining.
Lawnmower233 (June 21, 2008 at 4:50 pm)
Thank god. You put it nicely. I tried to explain to these guys as well but they just don't get it.
rdaught (June 21, 2008 at 8:48 am)
Why do people think that running a car on water would be breaking the laws of thermo dynamics? Its not perpetual motion - the water needs to be replaced. Hell, I can run a car on water by fitting a 100 gallon tank of water on the car and letting the water pour out to turn a wheel that moves the car! No laws of thermodynamics are being broken; you'd just have to keep filling the tank. The same with this idea - you still have to replace the water from time to time.
slungbungdungclung (June 20, 2008 at 2:58 am)
I'm sorry sir, but you are full of shit. To break apart an 2H20 molecule into 2H2 and O2 and to combine them again would only allow you to break even if your system was 100% efficient. Because of thermodynamics, in the real world, you will get a net energy loss.And what is HHO anyway? They wouldn't bond in that order anyway because of valence electron configurations.Anybody who paid any attention in a high school chemistry class would know that. In fact, I just took high school chemistry.
Lawnmower233 (June 19, 2008 at 5:04 pm)
You're the retard. You can't break the laws of thermodynamics. Perpetual motion machines can't exist due to these laws. What you're suggesting IS perpetual motion. Ok so why are you burning the gas? Because you need energy to do work. BUT you're using energy to electrolyse the water to CREATE the gas in the first place. And according to the laws of thermodynamics you will spend more energy electrolysing the water than you'll get from burning the gas. In other words you'll LOSE energy doing this.
rod166 (June 19, 2008 at 8:10 am)
dumbass you are not burning water you are braking down water to gas and burning the gas !!!!!!!i know cuase i'm a mechanic and i have seen this done for real and i'm currently doing this for a friend.
Lawnmower233 (June 17, 2008 at 5:37 pm)
It violates the first law of thermodynamics:"In a thermodynamic cycle the sum of the net heat supplied to a system and the net work done by the system is equal to zero"In other words you can't split the compound 2H2O and then burn 2H2 with O2 to form 2H2O again and get a gain of energy. In fact due to the third law, that a constant minimum of entropy exists at even absolute zero, there will always be a loss of energy from a system. So you'd LOSE energy doing this, not gain or even break even. |
