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sickliberal (May 19, 2008 at 12:11 am)
if this remark concerns me you are mistaken my friend. i just want to tackle one topic at a time. we agree more than you think i just cannot explain my viewpoint in a ten minute video.
sickliberal (May 19, 2008 at 12:07 am)
i agree totally, but the cultural or more personal ethical perspective requires another video. this one was about what will face us if we continue the path of explosive growth narrow capitalism, group against group and hierarchy. we can make a series of videos with more socially analytical perspectives. just look for video's with at least a usable or brilliant part in it concering such a topic. tareq ali comes to mind fe.
bbbleaver (May 17, 2008 at 2:21 pm)
sickliberal, i'm needing some clarity. what exactly is meant by 'do some research for usable clips' mean? i am totally supportive of 'low-tech' "solutions" such as the ones Amy Smith mentions (google TEDtalks((amy smith)). but i have little or no interest in supporting the investigation into how to make current culture sustainable. anything fueling overpopulation, war, Laws, and the use of cheap labor to perpetuate what we already have is not a world i want to continue living in.
sickliberal (May 17, 2008 at 9:08 am)
indeed adam. i couldn't cover everything so deforestation only popped up once. we'll talk about growth and seeing the planet as a lump of resources some next time. why don't you and bbleaver and itsfilthy do some research for usable clips? cheers!
AdamHintz (May 17, 2008 at 5:52 am)
I really think reducing our energy consumption is really to only way things will come to sustainability. If we have any surplus it will become a mouth to feed.
AdamHintz (May 17, 2008 at 5:49 am)
Everything we try to do may get co-opted by larger interests for a different goal. We need to be able to adapt to them quicker than they adapt to us.
AdamHintz (May 17, 2008 at 5:48 am)
Word. Verb.
ItsFilthy (May 17, 2008 at 4:49 am)
Not only leaving the wilderness alone, by which I think you mean not raping and murdering it, but we also need to build a solid relationship with the wilderness again, so that we can enter back into the necessary agreements with our communities and assume our responsibilities to the members of our communities, and to the processes that allow us and everyone/thing in our communities to be healthy and balanced.
ozjthomas (May 17, 2008 at 4:23 am)
I think liberalviewers intentions are honest and true, but I think I see where you're coming from, too, Z. Increasing the efficiency of our energy might just lead to more population, thus we run into the same problems just later on. I think we can do both, changing the enrgy we do use and are dependent on AND learn to live off the grid, as it were.
mistaspot1 (May 17, 2008 at 4:13 am)
I mean, instead of being supportive you're being critical. Like saying "No slave, you're escaping all wrong!" while many other slaves are sitting idly by, doing nothing. I don't understand your beef, to be honest. What is your precise issue with his methods? Is it technology? You said agriculture can exist without civilization. Why can't technology? |
