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M113 Gavin Myths... and Realities
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Channel: Science & Technology
Uploaded: July 6, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Author: BlacktailFA
Length: 07:15
Rating: 3.33
Views: 547
It's time to set the record straight on one of today's most scoffed and ignored armored fighting vehicles --- The M113 Gavin Armored Personnel Carrier.There are lots of mistruths floating about concerning the M113, and what it is capable of. Most of these myths emerge from 1) half-cocked assumptions,2) urban legend, and 3) what could best be described as "fuzzy military science".For example;1) The average person only knows Aluminum in the form of beverage cans, and FAR less of aircraft Aluminum. Thus, they often have little (if any) appreciation for the fact that 1.5 inches of Aluminum repels all shell splinters, blast concussions, and all small arms fire of .30-caliber and below --- which collectively comprise at least 70% of all threats to AFVs.2) The notion that M113s are highly vulnerable to mines comes primarily from images of troops riding atop their M113s in Vietnam with sandbags covering the floor. Given that this is all the general public has ever seen of M113s vs. mines, this view has prevailed.This assumption completely ignores the simple fact that M113s were operated like this ONLY in Vietnam, by inexperienced and practically untrained conscripts, and that no armed force has ever rode atop their M113s like this in any conflict since.Accounts of M113s surviving mines and IEDs with little damage or casualties are also unknown to those who believe this myth, and sometimes omitted by those who spread it.3) Because Medium and Heavy Tracks are the most hyped fighting vehicles in the Western World, they receive most of the attention --- including when they chew up roads under their enormous 30-70 ton girth. This is automatically blamed on their tracks, as wheels are less-widely associated with massive road damage (due to their usually-lower WEIGHT, but this is rarely factored in).Given that Light Tracks are not as fashionable (despite using the same class of propulsion, continuous tracks), they are thus automatically assumed to be pavement-destroyers because of heavier vehicles --- that ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATE this paradigm --- steal the spotlight.What you will find after sorting through the myths and lies about the M113 Gavin is something that 50 nations who bought 80000+ of them (and still use them after 40+ years) already knew all along; that the M113 is the most successful AFV the world has ever seen.It's the AK-47 of fighting vehicles --- and it's not even Russian!

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BlacktailFA (October 11, 2008 at 1:59 am)
Tracked vehicles are less vulnerable to mines, due to their lower ground pressure (M113A3 = 9psi, Stryker = 40psi), and the fact that the majority of AT mines are pressure-fused.Compare the losses of just 147 tracked vehicles in the Russo-Afghan war, to more than 1300 Armored Cars.As for the "ease" of blowing off tracks, Task Force Smith was assaulted by 33 tanks at the start of the Korean War, and attacked their tracks (their armor was too thick).They only disabled 2 tanks this way.
BlacktailFA (October 11, 2008 at 1:39 am)
While knocking back a few, the Strykers will rust away --- more than half of the Steel-hulled LAV-25 family of Armored Cars bought by the Marines in the '80's are already rusted through and useless, and the Strykers have already exceeded half of their corrosion-related hull life.At thier present rate of use, they'll but rusted frozen by 2020 --- if they aren't shattered by the guns of Light Tanks in the next war, first.
yubbayubba (October 10, 2008 at 6:28 pm)
At least we can recycle all those old M113s and make beer cans out of them.
yubbayubba (October 10, 2008 at 6:27 pm)
The M113 tracks (regardless of model number) are exceedingly vulnerable to damage by the same "landmines" that you keep claiming are killing our troops by deflating Stryker tires.All you need to do to completely disable a M113 is blow off one track shoe. One. The vehicle becomes nearly impossible to control, and the drivers of M113s are trained to immediately decelerate the vehicle to a stop when it happens.
BlacktailFA (September 7, 2008 at 7:36 pm)
gadget445,True, but it can also fire HE, HE-FRAG, and APDS rounds in order to inexpensively (and VERY effectively) engage non-Battle Tank targets.
Gouldenman (September 4, 2008 at 9:08 pm)
Hmm... Sorry man, u learn somethiing new everyday, thanks for the added info to my arsenal, and yeh strykers are bad... i rekon the ASLAV is probably better, but you can't go past the m113, it is the best APC out there, and with modern armour it could keep going forever, and i hope it does :P thanks mate
BlacktailFA (September 4, 2008 at 11:03 am)
The T-34 track is not out of context, because the quality of the alloys and design of the tracks, and the Anti-Tank weapons that Task Force Smith used against those T-34s,are in direct proportion to the quality of the M113 Gavin's tracks and export-grade RPG-7s.As for M113s throwing tracks, I've never heard of it being a frequent problem before. Even so, the M113 has NOTHING on the Stryker --- Stryker drivers are MANDATED to never exceed 35mph, 'cause they're starting to throw whole WHEELS!!!
Gouldenman (September 4, 2008 at 6:34 am)
I have to say I love the m113, which is why I was intrigued by the vid, but u use out of context and inappropriate information for ur arguments, like with the tracks and t-34's completely different to modern tracks, of course any idiot who suggest tracks break easily are, well idiots, but m113's do throw tracks quite often, it is one of the leading causes of injury lol at trim vain though:PGreat vid though, thanks redy for the next... oh and anyone who thinks of those myths should read up...
BlacktailFA (September 1, 2008 at 8:29 am)
That steel won't last very long once the extra 7 tons of weight in modifications gets fitted to the Strykers.Hell, they're all nearly DOUBLE the weight that the MOWAG Piranha suspension (that they use) was designed to carry anyway!
BlacktailFA (September 1, 2008 at 7:47 am)
GordonofSeattle,The whole problem started when the (then) US Army Chief of Staff, Eric "Rick" Shinseki came up with the brilliant idea of putting the entire US Army on wheels, and forced the LAV III into service --- the whole "Interim Armored Vehicle" initiative was only a smokescreen, as evidenced by the testing & evaluation and procurement methods used.The vehicle we know today as the "Stryker" is a waste product of this objective.

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